T 1407584965 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=passwordmaker-cli
T 1407584966 18<28JBot18>	^ Debian -- Package Search Results -- passwordmaker-cli
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T 1407584989 18<24jblive_718>	Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
T 1407585000 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	i wont ever trust a password manager, but a generator, by an algorithm of my choosing, yup
T 1407585004 18<20kookieless18>	O.o this question on this test
T 1407585006 18<24jblive_718>	so i must have full control over what i set as modules and stuff like that
T 1407585019 18<29paddyIBM18>	Admin/Password123 is more then anybody will ever need
T 1407585025 18<20kookieless18>	Disagree or agreee "It seems like terrorists could do a lot more damage if they were not so stupid."
T 1407585027 18<29paddyIBM18>	you don't need passwordmakers !
T 1407585042 18<27cestdiego18>	root/toor is ingenious and super-duper-secure
T 1407585044 18<24jblive_718>	so when trying to compile the kernel I want to know what each option does and how it affects performance 
T 1407585046 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	using charset 1, + domain, + ripemd paddyIBM of course itll be secre and unique :)
T 1407585055 18<29Fjorgynn18>	I don't like trolls
T 1407585067 18<24jblive_718>	im not
T 1407585073 18<29paddyIBM18>	cestdiego: it is! isn't it... and that was on a hackerdistro....
T 1407585091 18<27cestdiego18>	yep
T 1407585095 18<27cestdiego18>	paddyIBM: totally
T 1407585122 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	paddyIBM, admin password + hmac-md4 = DA[0Ih#9xMb~=d
T 1407585127 18<24jblive_718>	I'm serious, What is a good reference or book to understand the kernel options (relatively new pls :) ) 
T 1407585142 18<27cestdiego18>	^ I am interested in this too
T 1407585143 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	yup "admin" is a secure password when u use it to generate one
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T 1407585160 18<24jblive_718>	hold on im going to log out and in with the actual account i use 
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T 1407585190 18<27cestdiego18>	I'm not holding onto anything 0_0
T 1407585205 18<26thagabe18>	Hello all
T 1407585223 18<29paddyIBM18>	erm what happened wiθ θe charset? ʃ ?
T 1407585226 18<29paddyIBM18>	lol
T 1407585246 18<26thagabe18>	Anyone else have a linksys wrt1900ac?
T 1407585252 18<26thagabe18>	D:
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T 1407585277 18<26thagabe18>	Why cant marvel just release a good linux wireless driver 
T 1407585284 18<26thagabe18>	sigh
T 1407585296 18<29paddyIBM18>	that was odd
T 1407585297 18<26thagabe18>	I want openwrt
T 1407585306 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	well paddyIBM u need to set the charset yourself :
T 1407585310 18<26thagabe18>	which linksys "promised"
T 1407585324 18<27cestdiego18>	http://routerpwn.com/ you guys knew this?
T 1407585325 18<28JBot18>	^ Routerpwn 1.20.239
T 1407585326 18<29paddyIBM18>	Heavensrevenge: yeah, I know... went all wonky with no reason there 
T 1407585334 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	but sucha  small charset is no use :P
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T 1407585382 18<27cestdiego18>	where is jblive? D:
T 1407585484 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	ok. so so far I have managed to bend my plexiglass into a U shape. but the bottom is round :( need the edge to be crisper and bottom flat so the pc-case doesnt fall over
T 1407585503 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	or make feet
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T 1407585519 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	ADA hmac-sha + admin = θcNyde+V)Uʃ4Xz
T 1407585587 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	passwordmaker makes any password possible paddyIBM :P
T 1407585626 18<29paddyIBM18>	Heavensrevenge: you should use one password for all the things that don't matter , just like microsoft asked you to do
T 1407585669 18<27rikai18>	cestdiego: http://jupiterbroadcasting.com/live
T 1407585671 18<28JBot18>	^ No title or could not fetch title.
T 1407585694 18<27cestdiego18>	I meant the user jblive_7
T 1407585724 18<27rikai18>	that would be thagabe. :P
T 1407585726 18<27rikai18>	who also left.
T 1407585726 18<29paddyIBM18>	Heavensrevenge: the problem with such passwords is, that a lot of applications, sites, etc will not accept them...
T 1407585741 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	a good password generator also checks that the hash is unique
T 1407585744 18<27cestdiego18>	rikai: oic
T 1407585766 18<27cestdiego18>	isnt aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa just as good pasword as any?
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T 1407585783 18<27cestdiego18>	no brute force will break it :P
T 1407585799 18<27cestdiego18>	(jk)
T 1407585887 18<24corky18>	http://xkcd.com/936/
T 1407585889 18<28JBot18>	^ xkcd: Password Strength
T 1407585898 18<27cestdiego18>	corky: that's the one
T 1407585927 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	i want a password manager that also rotates and update my passwords automatically when I ask it to give me a new master password
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T 1407585955 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol automatically
T 1407585966 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	and rotates my ssh keys
T 1407585972 18<27cestdiego18>	wut?
T 1407586000 18<26rakudave18>	complexity < length: https://i.imgur.com/XuMUU0b.jpg
T 1407586000 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	s/rotates/renews
T 1407586004 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	well hawkins it could, i just need to set your master modifier
T 1407586023 18<24looksfamiliar18>	HawkinsTheWizard lives in magic lala land :P
T 1407586024 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	amd when a date hits some auto thing changes the mastermodifier & regens keys
T 1407586051 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	since u can use a master modification field for all passwords generated
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T 1407586084 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	considering we have tools that trigger by date just needs some script to get that done
T 1407586088 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: but you need to change them at the other end
T 1407586174 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	yea guess other services we cant control are the bottleneck
T 1407586180 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	looksfamiliar, Heavensrevenge , so you have the manager create a action list first and then do it in a far to near approach
T 1407586204 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	nothin preventing it fro working other than other services and their manual pw changing process :P
T 1407586225 18<24looksfamiliar18>	quite
T 1407586226 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	its a generator, its not a db
T 1407586239 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	i dont trust a db or my passwords
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T 1407586282 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	if you dont have a db you are limited to the number of passwords you can remember (for normal humans)
T 1407586296 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	why i generate them using a master
T 1407586298 18<24looksfamiliar18>	no HawkinsTheWizard, he is talking about a generator
T 1407586330 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	generate them how u like within the tools parametes, no need to store them
T 1407586338 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	u just generate them on the fly
T 1407586360 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I'm sticking with keepassx for now
T 1407586413 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	yes, but what I am saying is a generator doesnt go and change the passwords for you, and once they've been changed you need a way to log in again so you need to save them somewhere.  unless you just use one password
T 1407586425 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	i like being able to use ripemd160
T 1407586430 18<29paddyIBM18>	but in earnest , do you really need these password "keepers"?
T 1407586462 18<29paddyIBM18>	I mean for "subscriptions/accounts" to most website.... you don't really care do you?
T 1407586487 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol no i generate based on my master pw, i can modify the resulting pw with the tool, no need to store them
T 1407586498 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	many online accounts also have different rules for passwords so you might not even be able to use the same password everywhere
T 1407586520 18<29paddyIBM18>	and the handful of sites that have connections to payments and such... those passwords can easily be remembered or put on a USb stick 
T 1407586523 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol trying to find a problem HawkinsTheWizard , we have profiles :P
T 1407586531 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: you really need to write up a blog post on what generators are.
T 1407586538 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	we can set a site be detected by regex or wildcard
T 1407586560 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and when u go to that site the profile for the site activates and uses the characterset they accept :P
T 1407586565 18<22Helio18>	deterministic algorithms add 0 entropy
T 1407586586 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	regex.  now you have 2 problems
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T 1407586610 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	u can choose
T 1407586632 18<28bunny18>	i choose bacon!
T 1407586634 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	its just to correctly match the site to use the profie for :P
T 1407586646 18<24looksfamiliar18>	it seems like it wont take off because of the complexity
T 1407586653 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	 /bacon!/
T 1407586662 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol lookfamiliar its years old
T 1407586666 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	tools for like everything
T 1407586670 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	http://www.passwordmaker.org/Firefox/Mozilla/SeaMonkey/Flock/Netscape/Advanced
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T 1407586673 18<28JBot18>	^ Firefox/Mozilla/SeaMonkey/Flock/Netscape/Advanced - PasswordMaker
T 1407586682 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: and in use by what % of users?
T 1407586686 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	im the chrome extension maintainer now that the gernam guy wanted to leave
T 1407586688 18<22Helio18>	paddyIBM: actually, easily remembered passwords are alo
T 1407586689 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	it might be that the best is to have a 1day password generator that you just have to remember every morning.
T 1407586697 18<22Helio18>	also lower entropy
T 1407586709 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	also passwordmaker x seems to be compatible too
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T 1407586869 18<29paddyIBM18>	Helio: they don't have to "easy" as such... you can remember quite complicated things if you need to
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T 1407586876 18<24looksfamiliar18>	it's basically a combination of a master and the website name/address right?
T 1407586879 18<28TheMamboKing4218>	Salutations my fellow Jupitarians.
T 1407586880 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	a password changer though needs to have a profile for every instance how to change the password. seems like its better to just make the password everywhere your mom's maiden name and be done with it.
T 1407586902 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	theres like 9 variables looksfamiliar 
T 1407586911 18<22Helio18>	when you are dealing with an uncontrolled attack surface (ie a website, not say, a keypad behind a locked door with a security card) you need as much entropy as possible
T 1407586929 18<24looksfamiliar18>	yes Heavensrevenge, I understand that.  But basically it is generated from a master and the site, right?
T 1407586952 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	password += this.generateCharacter(this.hashAlgorithm, masterkey + "\n" + count,
T 1407586953 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	                url + this.username + this.modifier, this.whereToUseL33t, this.l33tLevel, this.selectedCharset);
T 1407586966 18<24looksfamiliar18>	issues when the url is changed?
T 1407586981 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	u can use custom text :P
T 1407586993 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	and if one of the sites are down during the scheduled change then you lose the password for that site
T 1407586995 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	 (w{3}\.)?amazon\.([^/]*)  = my amazon match lol
T 1407587005 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: what kind of weather do you have there
T 1407587012 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I think you are overestimating the users
T 1407587020 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	its stupid simple too
T 1407587023 18<29Fjorgynn18>	BROFIST
T 1407587025 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	but def gives power to tweak
T 1407587029 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: sunny spells, dry, clouds
T 1407587036 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: I hear rain is coming
T 1407587069 18<29paddyIBM18>	yeah same here... I was gonna do some outside work, hardly seems worth bothering
T 1407587076 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	so passwords are dependant on all those variables combined
T 1407587096 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: what is the simplest option, the most manual, not linked to a browser that I can run by installing from the ubuntu repo?
T 1407587119 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	well... u can apt-get install passwordmaker-cli
T 1407587124 18<22Helio18>	but only 1 matters in case of theft
T 1407587130 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and itll prompt u from the commandline lol
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T 1407587163 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	also theres a Qt app, alsp an online version and andriod apps and frig its all over lol
T 1407587179 18<28Blackinator10118>	its also in the freebsd repo's
T 1407587189 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	oh yea :P
T 1407587195 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	forgot about that
T 1407587221 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	passmass
T 1407587301 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: well, this is a helpful page http://www.passwordmaker.org/Command-line
T 1407587304 18<28JBot18>	^ Command-line - PasswordMaker
T 1407587310 18<24looksfamiliar18>	"Command line options are not posted here yet."
T 1407587325 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol not my doing
T 1407587326 18<24looksfamiliar18>	that is laughable documentation
T 1407587333 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	u can just passwordmaker-cli --help
T 1407587339 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	or just passwordmaker --help
T 1407587351 18<24looksfamiliar18>	yes, but I'm not going to even install it when that is what I find
T 1407587371 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	million dollar ocmpany isnt funding it
T 1407587376 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and source is all 100% open
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T 1407587394 18<24looksfamiliar18>	same with BSD, but they take documentation seriously
T 1407587404 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	http://www.passwordmaker.org/F.A.Q. is a tad more complete
T 1407587406 18<28JBot18>	^ F.A.Q. - PasswordMaker
T 1407587417 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: I love that it is FOSS
T 1407587420 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	well u can miss out on something awesome from judging a book by it s cover :P
T 1407587431 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	other documentation parts are good
T 1407587440 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	most of the time it only documents whats neded
T 1407587453 18<24looksfamiliar18>	ok
T 1407587459 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	also apparently that site is old and the maintaned is working on updating to git hub pages for a wiki
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T 1407587498 18<28Blackinator10118>	its so old it still has IE 9 for some of the examples :P
T 1407587516 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	https://github.com/passwordmaker/passwordmaker.github.io will be the new site, guys doing it as he can 
T 1407587518 18<28JBot18>	^ passwordmaker/passwordmaker.github.io · GitHub
T 1407587562 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and u can test online http://www.passwordmaker.org/passwordmaker.html
T 1407587565 18<28JBot18>	^ PasswordMaker. One Password To Rule Them All.™
T 1407587571 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: sounds like it needs a PR man like rottnkorpse does for his download manager
T 1407587571 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	got tons of options
T 1407587628 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol yea, seems most people find it while looking for soemthing they trust and is configurable, not by sumone like me saying how awesome it is
T 1407587640 18<24looksfamiliar18>	because it seems like a great idea
T 1407587663 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	ive been coding on it for a while, its quite fun and makes complete sense
T 1407587669 18<24looksfamiliar18>	anyway, stuff to do. laters
T 1407587715 18<20HawkinsTheWizard18>	a better idea is koffie and a kilt, then go out to the kine
T 1407587731 18<20swift11018>	Hey blackinator
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T 1407587827 18<20swift11018>	Hey corey84
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T 1407587843 18<20Corey8418>	swift110, stop stalkin me lol
T 1407587849 18<20swift11018>	Lol
T 1407587853 18<20Corey8418>	g'morning nonetheless
T 1407587864 18<20swift11018>	Thats better
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T 1407587889 18<20swift11018>	Scrapple is awesome
T 1407588068 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	YAY
T 1407588069 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-r1
T 1407588070 18<28JBot18>	^ ReleaseNote 4.4-r1 - Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86
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T 1407588121 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	:D i run androin in a vm to use kik... lol
T 1407588179 18<20swift11018>	Lol
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T 1407588761 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: seems the rain will be here by midnight
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T 1407588878 18<29Fjorgynn18>	Cibo
T 1407588896 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: we just had some...more to come though
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T 1407588973 18<29Fjorgynn18>	Discoteca
T 1407589048 18<29paddyIBM18>	see, that is the problem with Suse in this hardware... can't get some processes "killed"
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T 1407589472 18<28sikory18>	The software is so unstable that you have to kill it from time to time?
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T 1407589652 18<29paddyIBM18>	sometimes something "hangs" yes
T 1407589673 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I'm loving my nice stable Xubuntu 14.04.1
T 1407589686 18<29paddyIBM18>	my own fault, shouldn't have put Suse on this box
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T 1407589711 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I discovered Lubuntu with 12.04 and it was so new I had to do 12.10, 13.04, 13.10.  Not this time.  LTS for me
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T 1407589780 20<Piece_Maker>30	i had similar issues with suse on old hardware
T 1407589789 20<Piece_Maker>30	guess its just a heavyweight
T 1407589843 18<29paddyIBM18>	i only have problems with it, when I put it on IBM hardware
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T 1407589859 20<Piece_Maker>30	hmm
T 1407589863 18<19VRMac18>	Just wrote up a long post on the TerraFirmaCraft forums about their license...
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T 1407589879 18<29paddyIBM18>	I have several boxes running it, and they don't give me a moments pause 
T 1407589898 20<Piece_Maker>30	my ancient old laptop when i ran suse on it (even using a light DE) zypper/yast routinely crashed on me
T 1407589926 20<Piece_Maker>30	well not 'crash' but 'lock up' hehe
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T 1407589955 18<19mjayk18>	afternoon {again} all
T 1407589980 18<28sikory18>	interesting: http://vodlocker.com/5x0g459a2tx8
T 1407589981 18<28JBot18>	^ Watch Particle Fever 720p WEBRiP SiTRiNA mkv
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T 1407589993 18<29paddyIBM18>	this Thinkpad runs for 30-40 days and then just gets "windowed".... slower and buggy ... and needs restarting.... same OS on a regular desktop will run for a year with no issue
T 1407590079 20<Piece_Maker>30	hehe
T 1407590082 20<Piece_Maker>30	weird
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T 1407590092 18<29paddyIBM18>	it is
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T 1407590128 18<24looksfamiliar18>	30-40 day uptime?
T 1407590144 18<29paddyIBM18>	I put Suse on a sturdy IBM server , just to try... and it showed the most odd behaviour
T 1407590147 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: yes
T 1407590171 18<24looksfamiliar18>	wow, 3 days is unusual for me.  Turn the damn thing off. Poor laptop
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T 1407590235 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: under a decent linux install... this should never be an issue, not even for laptops... you're done, close the lid... you want to use it, open the box... this you should be able to do, basically indefinitely 
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T 1407590287 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: and that is one of the true tests of stability... just don't turn it off for half a year... and if all still works ok... you can consider it "stable"
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T 1407590296 18<28sikory18>	I don't use it when I'm asleep, so I turn it off then
T 1407590336 18<29paddyIBM18>	boxes I use daily , don't get turned off...
T 1407590354 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: do you have standby or whatever it is called? low power or suspend to disk?
T 1407590363 18<29paddyIBM18>	yes indeed
T 1407590382 18<29paddyIBM18>	and that is where some of the distro's fail 
T 1407590384 18<24looksfamiliar18>	see they never work well on my hardware
T 1407590400 18<29paddyIBM18>	but Suse seems to be the only one that has issue with hardware from a certain make
T 1407590410 18<24looksfamiliar18>	can you use either when say downloading
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T 1407590444 18<29paddyIBM18>	i don't understand your question. You mean, "sleep when finished"??
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T 1407590473 18<29paddyIBM18>	like,say, for a torrent client
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T 1407590500 18<24looksfamiliar18>	ah, when finished.  I'm not clear on what the computer can do when in stanby (suspend to ram).  The processor slows and the disks spin down, so I guess not
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T 1407590540 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Got so tired of standby and suspend on linux that I haven't tried it recently
T 1407590561 18<29paddyIBM18>	the difference is basically the "wake up time" as you will know... you can get going faster from RAM then from disk
T 1407590576 18<24looksfamiliar18>	and what would happen to a running irc client?
T 1407590587 18<29paddyIBM18>	it will disconnect
T 1407590590 18<24looksfamiliar18>	yeah
T 1407590600 18<29paddyIBM18>	and reconnect when woken 
T 1407590636 18<24looksfamiliar18>	anyway neither type seems to work for me
T 1407590651 18<29paddyIBM18>	you wouldn't be the only one who has trouble with that
T 1407590660 18<24looksfamiliar18>	old old hardware
T 1407590667 18<29paddyIBM18>	some distro's are fierce for giving you grief on that front 
T 1407590688 18<29paddyIBM18>	yeah... running on a P4 wouldn't help either
T 1407590697 18<28Blackinator10118>	oh lovely its raining
T 1407590714 18<24looksfamiliar18>	performance after suspend to ram on my laptop was what drove me to lubuntu.  Ubuntu was OK, and i didn't realise that it was standby that was turning it into a slug so I wiped it and tried something else (LXDE)
T 1407590739 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: that said... I had Suse running on Dell industrial P4 's... and it does what it says on the tin... no issue there
T 1407590740 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: its running solidly though
T 1407590789 18<29paddyIBM18>	I have used Lubuntu .... ever... I think
T 1407590814 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Very XP like.  It needs a few more tools though.  Less complete than XFCE
T 1407590833 18<29paddyIBM18>	I usually stick to the older distro's and Mint for windoze-survivors 
T 1407590843 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I think XFCE has improved massively since the last LTS.  Now just as fast as LXDE for me
T 1407590864 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I dont see the point in Mint.  Rather be on the standard Ubuntu base
T 1407590885 18<29paddyIBM18>	I have used KDE since it was called" the K-desktop" on the floppy sleeves lol
T 1407590889 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: checked out Xubuntu recently? I recommend it
T 1407590898 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: noted
T 1407590939 18<29paddyIBM18>	Mint is good for not scaring people.... you can leave a housewife alone to "click around" on it on day one... and chances are, she'll like it
T 1407590940 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I dont know of better LXDE and XFCE desktops than Lubuntu and Xubuntu
T 1407590962 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: I'd say Xubuntu is like that too
T 1407590973 18<28Blackinator10118>	xfce on xubuntu actually looks nice which is something
T 1407590979 18<29paddyIBM18>	could be, I'll take your word for it
T 1407590991 18<29paddyIBM18>	not so Ubuntu Rodent 
T 1407591003 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Mind you, I just fixed my friends chromebook (that she accidentally wiped) and went Unity this time.  She freeaking loves it
T 1407591003 18<29paddyIBM18>	^^ that's what Angela calls it
T 1407591019 18<29paddyIBM18>	unity is quite nice yes
T 1407591030 18<29paddyIBM18>	so is Mint with cinnamon 
T 1407591050 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: "Ubuntu Rodent" is Xubuntu?
T 1407591064 18<29paddyIBM18>	no, regular Ubuntu
T 1407591068 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Is MATE the lighter option (cf cinnamon)?
T 1407591077 18<29paddyIBM18>	the "full works" ubuntu 
T 1407591084 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: why rodent?
T 1407591105 18<29paddyIBM18>	you have to ask Angela... she named it
T 1407591106 18<24looksfamiliar18>	XFCE has a rat as the logo, that is why I was confused
T 1407591131 18<29paddyIBM18>	(was on some fauxshow, I think)
T 1407591224 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	most of the big name desktops are usable, solydX's xfce theme is completely Qt looking
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T 1407591290 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I always feel we need less fragmentation
T 1407591312 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: well, linux has very daft names for most things so "rodent" isn't out of place 
T 1407591336 18<24looksfamiliar18>	yep.  They will never top "The Beefy Miracle"
T 1407591367 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	i agree with you there
T 1407591399 18<29paddyIBM18>	if you don't raise an eyebrow when you hear "orneric ocelot" (or whatever way you spell that) you ain't going to budge when someone calls a DE "Rodent"
T 1407591401 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	unless marks felings extra stupid and has yet to use his idiodic creative juices
T 1407591439 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I always read the new one as The Ectopic Unicorn
T 1407591448 18<29paddyIBM18>	lol
T 1407591477 18<28sikory18>	did they do Horny Hippo yet?
T 1407591484 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Hardy Heron
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T 1407591561 20<Piece_Maker>30	i like linux's silly names/logos/mascots
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T 1407591578 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Not doing "Randy Rhino" was a big disappointment
T 1407591588 20<Piece_Maker>30	i think its funny how bsically every program has a cute little animal cartoon to go along with it
T 1407591591 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	are you kidding, its too simple
T 1407591602 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and too layman
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T 1407591655 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	it would have to be rhombtastical or reginafary rhinocerous so something 3-4 times normal stupid :P
T 1407591669 18<24looksfamiliar18>	indeed
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T 1407591713 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	do u rock an android looksfamiliar ?
T 1407591717 18<29paddyIBM18>	I couldn't install anything that was called "Randy Rhino" ..... reminds of a trailerpark roadshow cowboy in white outfit
T 1407591720 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.github.eddieringle.android.apps.passwordmaker can do you 
T 1407591721 18<28JBot18>	^ PasswordMaker X - Applications Android sur Google Play
T 1407591729 18<24looksfamiliar18>	Heavensrevenge: no smartphone here
T 1407591804 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: I have been using one now for a year or so... (smart phone) use to have nice but simple feature phones before that) and they are nice.... but I don't see the "wild attraction "
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T 1407591855 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: I have some nice technical apps that are handy... but given I always have a tablet or laptop with me....
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T 1407591881 18<29paddyIBM18>	oh noes!
T 1407591896 18<28sikory18>	the horror!
T 1407591898 18<29paddyIBM18>	he has been gezumpft !
T 1407591988 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	someone has split tubes
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T 1407592102 18<29paddyIBM18>	't was Cameron whot cut his intertubez
T 1407592107 18<29paddyIBM18>	ah he is back
T 1407592139 18<24looksfamiliar18>	who is back?
T 1407592144 18<29paddyIBM18>	you are
T 1407592151 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I went somewhere?
T 1407592156 18<29paddyIBM18>	yes
T 1407592168 18<29paddyIBM18>	(03:47:45 PM) looksfamiliar [~looksfami@protectedhost-42D93CED.skybroadband.com] entered the room.
T 1407592176 18<29paddyIBM18>	just now ^^
T 1407592179 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I saw nothing except some servermodes
T 1407592343 18<29paddyIBM18>	probably GCHQ sucking all your datas of yer disks
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T 1407592384 18<24looksfamiliar18>	no doubt
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T 1407592432 18<29paddyIBM18>	probably Cameron himself that ordered it... "get that man there... the subversive looking fellow" "The one without the Eton tie"....
T 1407592496 18<29paddyIBM18>	you should get some Regimental ties... they probably would leave you alone then
T 1407592531 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I read the "George Osborne's cat was hit by a car", but my hopeful brain skipped over the word "cat"
T 1407592533 18<29paddyIBM18>	don't get the 9th Hussars....nobody really trusts them...
T 1407592545 18<29paddyIBM18>	poor kitty
T 1407592552 18<29paddyIBM18>	and what a life
T 1407592573 18<24corky18>	!dogetick
T 1407592575 18<28JBot18>	BTer: 24h Average: 0.00000029 BTC Last: 0.00000028 BTC Ask: 0.00000029 BTC Bid: 0.00000028 BTC Volume: 28,952,565.301 DOGE
T 1407592576 18<24corky18>	!btcetick
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T 1407592579 18<29paddyIBM18>	were they aiming for George ?
T 1407592646 18<29paddyIBM18>	ah kitty is not badly hurt.... at least that's something 
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T 1407592720 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: the kitty was hit very near to the Ministry of Defence..... you think they are trying to send him a message?
T 1407592734 18<24looksfamiliar18>	hmmm
T 1407592739 18<28sikory18>	or the kitty was trying to send them a message
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T 1407592914 18<19VRMac18>	Need moar people on Mumble!
T 1407592916 18<19VRMac18>	!mumble
T 1407592917 18<28JBot18>	Mumble info - Server: mumble.jupitercolony.com, Port: 64734
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T 1407592972 18<29paddyIBM18>	VRMac: people should annunciate and pronunciate .... not "mumble"
T 1407592985 18<19VRMac18>	Tee hee.
T 1407593069 18<24BluPhenix31618>	ok i'm not looking forward to this next compile
T 1407593091 18<29paddyIBM18>	ROFL
T 1407593100 18<29paddyIBM18>	here is one for the Murican brethren 
T 1407593102 18<29paddyIBM18>	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPiGJBHVadA
T 1407593104 18<28JBot18>	^ The Fast Show - Very drunk - YouTube
T 1407593116 18<24BluPhenix31618>	VRMac: you ever compiled libreoffice?
T 1407593126 18<19VRMac18>	I might have tried once.
T 1407593179 18<29paddyIBM18>	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXczSof201U
T 1407593180 18<28JBot18>	^ Rowley Birkin QC - Terrific Snowstorm - YouTube
T 1407593184 18<29paddyIBM18>	here is another one
T 1407593205 18<24BluPhenix31618>	there is a bug in the funtoo libreoffice-bin with dependencies so their solution is just to compile it, but i've been regretting that, everywhere i look people say about 3 and half hours of compile time
T 1407593315 18<28sikory18>	compile it and go do something else
T 1407593333 18<24BluPhenix31618>	sikory: yeah, i think that is what i'll be doing
T 1407593344 18<24BluPhenix31618>	once this transfer from my NAS is complete
T 1407593361 18<24looksfamiliar18>	BluPhenix316: I feel like I am there with you man.  This live-IRCing of compiling is exciting!
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T 1407593389 18<28sikory18>	can't you provide us with a live feed?
T 1407593401 18<29paddyIBM18>	oh ffs....
T 1407593402 18<24looksfamiliar18>	set it to compile.  Start a debate on religion in here and before you know it, it will be done xD
T 1407593429 18<29paddyIBM18>	we can only take about religion when Erich is about to pop in...
T 1407593436 18<24BluPhenix31618>	sikory: i actually probably could lol
T 1407593437 18<29paddyIBM18>	he is very good at slamming doors
T 1407593448 18<24looksfamiliar18>	paddyIBM: so he can tell us to stop it and be nice?
T 1407593450 18<24BluPhenix31618>	paddy you on mumble?
T 1407593459 18<29paddyIBM18>	BluPhenix316: no
T 1407593465 18<24BluPhenix31618>	oh
T 1407593473 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: it isn't like we'd listen to him
T 1407593490 18<24looksfamiliar18>	no.
T 1407593491 18<29paddyIBM18>	I shall not be silenced !!
T 1407593493 18<24BluPhenix31618>	oh you are looking for a religious person to talk to religion about
T 1407593501 18<29paddyIBM18>	not really
T 1407593506 18<24looksfamiliar18>	nah
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T 1407593568 18<24BluPhenix31618>	ok i found a temporary solution until the bugs with libreoffice-bin is fixed
T 1407593572 18<24BluPhenix31618>	just install openoffice-bin
T 1407593590 18<24looksfamiliar18>	really?
T 1407593593 18<19VRMac18>	ew
T 1407593595 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: and what is this "nice thing"... I am always nice.... I wouldn't have a crack at destroying someone’s personality is it weren't for their own good
T 1407593616 18<24looksfamiliar18>	hehe
T 1407593634 18<19VRMac18>	Just compile it. It doesn't take a whole lot of computing power, just time. Do other things while it compiles.
T 1407593656 18<24BluPhenix31618>	VRMac: i have my make.conf setup to use all my cores, and a 4gig tmpfs for compiling
T 1407593668 18<19VRMac18>	Whose fault is that?
T 1407593680 18<24BluPhenix31618>	VRMac: well it makes compiling most things VERY fast
T 1407593685 18<24BluPhenix31618>	so i don't have to sit here all day
T 1407593687 18<19VRMac18>	So compile it!
T 1407593710 18<24BluPhenix31618>	or i could install openoffice-bin and be done with it, i think open office can do most things i need an office suite for
T 1407593727 18<19VRMac18>	Where is make.conf located?
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T 1407593782 18<24BluPhenix31618>	VRMac: for funtoo/gentoo it is /etc/portage/make.conf
T 1407593798 18<24BluPhenix31618>	though it is symlinked to /etc/make.conf
T 1407593833 18<24looksfamiliar18>	what is the situation with OO now?
T 1407593865 18<24BluPhenix31618>	it is up to version 4.1.0 or atleast that is what i emerged
T 1407593884 18<24looksfamiliar18>	no, I meant the ownership (why LO forked)
T 1407593964 18<24BluPhenix31618>	oracle bought sun
T 1407593976 18<24BluPhenix31618>	openoffice went to oracle
T 1407593990 18<24BluPhenix31618>	libreoffice was born
T 1407594000 18<24BluPhenix31618>	oracle ending up transfering openoffice to apache
T 1407594006 18<28Blackinator10118>	then oracle of loaded it to the apache software foundation
T 1407594015 18<28Blackinator10118>	off*
T 1407594044 -18NickServ-	You are already identified.
T 1407594058 18<29Fjorgynn18>	apparentl the font I am using for my logo costs 900 usd
T 1407594060 18<29Fjorgynn18>	well well
T 1407594071 18<24looksfamiliar18>	so could there be a reunification of LO and AOO?
T 1407594082 18<24BluPhenix31618>	i doubt it
T 1407594082 18<24looksfamiliar18>	now that oracle are gone?
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T 1407594088 18<24BluPhenix31618>	everything is possible but i doubt it
T 1407594099 18<24looksfamiliar18>	why so much duplication of effort?
T 1407594115 18<24BluPhenix31618>	well now there is a difference in licensing
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T 1407594120 18<24looksfamiliar18>	sigh
T 1407594124 18<24BluPhenix31618>	openoffice is bsd licensed i believe, while libreoffice is gpl
T 1407594146 18<24looksfamiliar18>	bad selfish developers?
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T 1407594162 18<28Blackinator10118>	BluPhenix316: nope, its SISSL and LGPL
T 1407594172 18<24looksfamiliar18>	I dont even....
T 1407594173 18<24BluPhenix31618>	yeah i see that
T 1407594174 18<24BluPhenix31618>	they switched
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T 1407594177 18<24BluPhenix31618>	to LGPL
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T 1407594487 18<24BluPhenix31618>	as far as features and apperance, so far OpenOffice doesn't look too much different from libreoffice
T 1407594543 18<19VRMac18>	They are very similar.
T 1407594589 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	lol
T 1407594595 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	libreoffice is where the main devs went
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T 1407594608 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	openoffice tries to stay more consumer friendly from busness reasons
T 1407594612 18<19VRMac18>	Yep. I prefer LibreOffice.
T 1407594623 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	openoffice pulls from libre and libre sometimes pulls from open
T 1407594636 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	they do cross pollinate but they shud friggin merge again
T 1407594650 18<28sikory18>	they are only drifting further apart
T 1407594653 18<19VRMac18>	Fragmentation isn't a bad thing.
T 1407594663 18<19VRMac18>	If the projects have different goals, let them have their different goals.
T 1407594681 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	for dcoument formatting id say it is, ui's can fragment all they want
T 1407594705 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	so long as they both stay compatible from theo document formats they spit out
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T 1407594731 18<28sikory18>	the document format is standardised, so if they don't give the same results there is a bug somewhere
T 1407594756 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	thats 1 way they shouldbe common and similar
T 1407594760 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	and both of them arent yet perfect
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T 1407594797 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	amd's not doing too bad http://www.anandtech.com/show/8316/amds-5-ghz-turbo-cpu-in-retail-the-fx9590-and-asrock-990fx-extreme9-review/6
T 1407594798 18<28JBot18>	^ AnandTech Portal | AMD’s 5 GHz Turbo CPU in Retail: The FX-9590 and ASRock 990FX Extreme9 Review
T 1407594844 18<25Heavensrevenge18>	seems like a huge limiting factor is the motherboard
T 1407594940 18<28Blackinator10118>	Heavensrevenge: yeah the chipset is just old as hell
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T 1407595159 18<22MercX18>	I have an SSH DAEMON that i want to listen on a VPN interface, I set the appropriate address in the sshd_config however I believe the sshd process is coming up before the VPN and after the vpn comes alive it does not attach to the VPN address, any idea how I can fix this? (Ubuntu)
T 1407595178 18<22MercX18>	If i restart SSHD after the VPN is up it works fine
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T 1407595844 18<22MercX18>	found a solution, openvpn allows you to run screen when a vpn is established
T 1407595857 18<22MercX18>	script restarts sshd
T 1407596094 18<24pkillpeers18>	hey guys anyone knows if its possible to minimize Hexchat to systray on ubuntu 14.04 ?
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T 1407597094 18<28sikory18>	darned, they want me to use mathematica
T 1407597114 18<28sikory18>	I find it such an odd programming language
T 1407597118 18<24corky18>	:P
T 1407597130 18<24corky18>	mathematica is funny to write in
T 1407597143 18<24BluPhenix31618>	wow i ran into something really strange when i just started my pc-bsd computer, i got a black screen and it said it couldn't find nvidia.ko, was an easy enough fix, but i'm wondering what causes it to disappear
T 1407597148 18<28sikory18>	yeah, 10 lines
T 1407597152 18<28sikory18>	or interactively
T 1407597213 18<28sikory18>	but not for larger stuff
T 1407597214 18<24corky18>	I wish I were your derivative so i could lie tangent to your curves
T 1407597258 18<24corky18>	not you sikory , it's a joke
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T 1407597289 18<28sikory18>	not me?
T 1407597290 18<28sikory18>	:(
T 1407597324 18<24corky18>	maybe someone wants to lie tangent to your curves sikory, someone out there...
T 1407597343 18<28sikory18>	doubt it
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T 1407597409 18<24corky18>	on all of the planets that could inhabit life, you think nobody loves you sikory ? statstically that's not possible
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T 1407597463 18<28sikory18>	statistically it is possible
T 1407597481 18<28sikory18>	even if maybe unlikely
T 1407597506 18<24corky18>	Three statisticians go out hunting together. After a while they spot a solitary rabbit. The first statistician takes aim and overshoots. The second aims and undershoots. The third shouts out "We got him!" 
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T 1407597885 18<28Galmteam18>	So, native netflix on Linux. How about that?
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T 1407597981 18<24corky18>	Galmteam: one day. not soon though, netflix have more important controversial decisions at the moment
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T 1407597993 18<28Galmteam18>	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc1ODY
T 1407597994 18<28JBot18>	^ [Phoronix] It's Now Possible To Play Netflix Natively On Linux Without Wine Plug-Ins
T 1407598042 18<28Galmteam18>	You have to use Chrome, and you have to change your user agent but it works.
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T 1407598137 18<28sikory18>	with tpb I don't need to use some evil browser
T 1407598210 18<28sikory18>	I don't even have to be online
T 1407598254 18<27GreenLantern18>	sikory: ++
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T 1407598272 18<28sikory18>	I like that convenience
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T 1407598323 18<22brian204018>	nogal, you around? I found something that'll be of interest to you
T 1407598360 18<22brian204018>	A SNES cartridge of Super Mario All Stars + Super Mario World.
T 1407598365 18*	27GreenLantern watches Occupation 101
T 1407598480 18<27GreenLantern18>	and what a windy day it is..
T 1407598501 18<28sikory18>	you want a job?
T 1407598529 18<27GreenLantern18>	sikory: you talking to me?
T 1407598550 18*	27GreenLantern pulls out a potato.
T 1407598552 18<28sikory18>	are you Robert deNiro?
T 1407598553 18<27GreenLantern18>	now we talk..
T 1407598559 18<27GreenLantern18>	yes?
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T 1407598720 18<29paddyIBM18>	wouldn't the truecrypt people have been given the same "deal" as the Lavabit people?
T 1407598736 18<29paddyIBM18>	backdoor "or else"
T 1407598938 18<27GreenLantern18>	paddyIBM: exatly.
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T 1407598952 18<27GreenLantern18>	paddyIBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary
T 1407598953 18<28JBot18>	^ Warrant canary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
T 1407598979 18<29paddyIBM18>	the more I look into that truecrypt thing, the stranger it seems
T 1407598997 18<27GreenLantern18>	it is deffenitely a warrant canary.
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T 1407599007 18<27GreenLantern18>	*definitely
T 1407599044 18<24looksfamiliar18>	my thoughts too
T 1407599066 18<24looksfamiliar18>	and if they got them, then who else?
T 1407599083 18<24looksfamiliar18>	did truecrypt just get too well known?
T 1407599089 18<24looksfamiliar18>	what about LUKS?
T 1407599106 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: well, we need similar systems , but purely European based, with no US connections
T 1407599212 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: or , and I am sorry to have to say, even without UK interference, as your lot is way to eager to please Uncle Sam
T 1407599219 18<29paddyIBM18>	too*
T 1407599238 18<27GreenLantern18>	Big Brother, Uncle Sam, what's next?
T 1407599246 18<27GreenLantern18>	Cousin Betty?
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T 1407599307 18<29paddyIBM18>	we should have our data centres in Libya... at least we could get them mortar bombed before the feds arrive..
T 1407599345 18<27GreenLantern18>	paddyIBM: I'll take care of that for ya. server space is quite expensive here though..
T 1407599361 18<27GreenLantern18>	http://libyanspider.com/ is the best company I know of..
T 1407599362 18<28JBot18>	^ Libyan Spider, software, domain, hosting and web design services
T 1407599369 18<27GreenLantern18>	they'll let ya host anything, except porn.
T 1407599378 18<29paddyIBM18>	oh man!
T 1407599400 18<27GreenLantern18>	paddyIBM: their HQ is down the street, I'll grab an RPG if you get a warrant. ;)
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T 1407599419 18<29paddyIBM18>	lol deal made ! see how simple this is!
T 1407599463 18<27GreenLantern18>	yeah!
T 1407599479 18<29paddyIBM18>	looksfamiliar: I do think LUKS is a bit less vulnerable, if only by the type of license 
T 1407599498 18<29paddyIBM18>	anybody can take over the project when someone wants to get out
T 1407599509 18<29paddyIBM18>	that wasn't possible with truecrypt
T 1407599568 18<22brian204018>	FML
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T 1407599586 18<29paddyIBM18>	how rude!!!
T 1407599590 18<26nikomo18>	did the copyright or something expire on Sherlock Holmes recently, or why is everyone using that character nowadays
T 1407599627 18<20madjo18>	fashion my life is rude?
T 1407599658 18<29paddyIBM18>	madjo: that is not what he means (he is Texan , you know!)
T 1407599677 18<20madjo18>	nikomo: only 1 or 2 novels are copyrighted still... the majority has been out of copyright for a while now.
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T 1407599683 18<20madjo18>	I know
T 1407599695 18<20madjo18>	texans are renowned for their 'fashion' :)
T 1407599705 18<29paddyIBM18>	they are
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